Glad I could add to your knowledge base. I knew about impressment before I started researching the article, but Citizen Genet seemed only vaguely familiar, like I’d read something about it a long time ago and then promptly forgot it.
Of that happened wed lost the war between the states and slavery would be terrorizing our African American people. Imagine that with the psycho’s in power especially Steven Miller who continues to worship false gods.
I don’t know that is the case. Many historians believe American slavery would have ended of the South’s own accord for a variety of reasons. The economics of slavery never penciled out, which was why wage labor was adopted in the North, eventually ending slavery entirely there. Only a fraction of Southerners owned slaves because they were so expensive and the number was reducing even when the Civil War started. So, what if wasn’t and we can’t really know what might have happened, except we can be reasonably certain the Civil War wouldn’t have because there would have been no powerful union army to attack the South. Imagine saving nearly 700,000 soldiers’ lives and another 50,000 civilians who died of starvation and other indirect effects of the war?
Another thing that wouldn’t have happened was the removal of Indians from their traditional land. The Americans still would have spread westward, but they would have had to do so by negotiating with the Indians rather than stealing their land. How that would have affected my tribal family members is unknown, but I suspect the ones that live on the Rez now would have much more dignified lives.
Okay. It’s obviously a hypothetical. It never happened, so we can’t really say what would have happened. I think it was regretable that Americans fought Americans, ever, for any reason. I also think slavery needed to end, but I think there might have been better ways to do it — something that didn’t cost so many lives and plunge an entire region into a century of poverty.
Since that didn’t happen, it’s just conjecture about how we could have achieved the goal without the negatives.
For the greed, respect of persons and selfish reasons that are so prevalent among the rich.
Enslavement made one status wealthy and powerful from the pain and suffering of the whip. The other bondage, pain and suffering because of hate, racism and cruelty.
What? Sorry. I know a lot of people from the South and they do know the war is over (it’s been 150 years). But what they object to is people who act like history from 150 years ago should be used to punish people alive today, who never owned slaves and were born after Jim Crow, or if they were born during it, they themselves were never in favor of it — it was just part of the world they were born into.
Holding people alive today accountable for the actions of past generations is counterproductive. We didn’t live back then so we really can’t understand the world they existed in.
As for greed of the rich — your other post — I’ve never been rich, but I did grow up poor and no poor person ever gave me a job or even a meal. People more rich than my parents did both, but I suspect if I’d spit in their faces and called them greedy for having more than my parents, they wouldn’t have been so generous with me. Just an observation.
Very interesting. I learned 2 new things from you today: what impressment is, and who Citizen Genet was. 😆👍🏼
Glad I could add to your knowledge base. I knew about impressment before I started researching the article, but Citizen Genet seemed only vaguely familiar, like I’d read something about it a long time ago and then promptly forgot it.
Of that happened wed lost the war between the states and slavery would be terrorizing our African American people. Imagine that with the psycho’s in power especially Steven Miller who continues to worship false gods.
I don’t know that is the case. Many historians believe American slavery would have ended of the South’s own accord for a variety of reasons. The economics of slavery never penciled out, which was why wage labor was adopted in the North, eventually ending slavery entirely there. Only a fraction of Southerners owned slaves because they were so expensive and the number was reducing even when the Civil War started. So, what if wasn’t and we can’t really know what might have happened, except we can be reasonably certain the Civil War wouldn’t have because there would have been no powerful union army to attack the South. Imagine saving nearly 700,000 soldiers’ lives and another 50,000 civilians who died of starvation and other indirect effects of the war?
Another thing that wouldn’t have happened was the removal of Indians from their traditional land. The Americans still would have spread westward, but they would have had to do so by negotiating with the Indians rather than stealing their land. How that would have affected my tribal family members is unknown, but I suspect the ones that live on the Rez now would have much more dignified lives.
Maybe they do. But that’s my take on what could have happened?
Okay. It’s obviously a hypothetical. It never happened, so we can’t really say what would have happened. I think it was regretable that Americans fought Americans, ever, for any reason. I also think slavery needed to end, but I think there might have been better ways to do it — something that didn’t cost so many lives and plunge an entire region into a century of poverty.
Since that didn’t happen, it’s just conjecture about how we could have achieved the goal without the negatives.
For the greed, respect of persons and selfish reasons that are so prevalent among the rich.
Enslavement made one status wealthy and powerful from the pain and suffering of the whip. The other bondage, pain and suffering because of hate, racism and cruelty.
No. They had to surrender. Running out of supplies, ammo and etc. The south still won’t accept the war is over and they lost.
What? Sorry. I know a lot of people from the South and they do know the war is over (it’s been 150 years). But what they object to is people who act like history from 150 years ago should be used to punish people alive today, who never owned slaves and were born after Jim Crow, or if they were born during it, they themselves were never in favor of it — it was just part of the world they were born into.
Holding people alive today accountable for the actions of past generations is counterproductive. We didn’t live back then so we really can’t understand the world they existed in.
As for greed of the rich — your other post — I’ve never been rich, but I did grow up poor and no poor person ever gave me a job or even a meal. People more rich than my parents did both, but I suspect if I’d spit in their faces and called them greedy for having more than my parents, they wouldn’t have been so generous with me. Just an observation.
That’s basically what Im saying.